The iPhone Topic, This looks serious, guys |
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 Oct 20 2008, 15:27
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Diehard  Group: Posters Posts: 406 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173  |
QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 20 2008, 15:13)  Have you tried GPS? Mine worked fine on O2 but doesn't seem to work on T-Mobile. Just a thought, but the GPS is A-GPS, so perhaps it needs network GPRS/3G access before it can pin point your exact position via the GPS chip. If you're swapping SIM cards, then you'll need to re-enter your GPRS/3G network settings if using a non-iphone contract SIM. Settings → General → Network → EDGE Note: The EDGE settings option only appears if you enter a different SIM card that not an official iphone carrier. Worth a try This post has been edited by paholman: Oct 20 2008, 15:32 -------------------- |
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Oct 20 2008, 15:59
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 Peanut Brain  Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
Thanks for the reply paholman. I don't have EDGE but my 3G and GPRS is working fine (on T-Mobile UK). When I am on WiFi it finds my location without a problem so I guess it is something to do with the A-GPS server being only accessible by O2, but still not sure why it won't find my location using the 'proper GPS'. I believe the A-GPS uses the mast triangulation to get the rough location before the proper GPS kicks in to give the actual location. There doesn't seem to be anywhere to set the A-GPS server though.
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Oct 21 2008, 08:48
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Newbie  Group: Posters Posts: 47 Joined: 26th February 2003 From: UK Member No.: 3,107 Device(s): HTC Diamond |
QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 20 2008, 15:13) There is no software unlocking available for the 3G iPhone - yet! Jailbreaking is easy and I did it without a problem. Have you tried GPS? Mine worked fine on O2 but doesn't seem to work on T-Mobile. Mine wasnt working, when i went outside my work this mornning i managed to get the little blue dot saying where i was and it was spot on. Now im indoors it seems to be using the Network Cell Information to determine where i am as it shows a precise area. It seems to work ok outside but just not indoors (although my workplace has a huge metal roof so thats not gonna help!) If I jailbroke my phone and then a new firmware update came out how would you plan for this? Could i just install the firmware update then hope a jail break is available for the new firmware? Would all the apps stop working that were installed? Would I have to install all the apps again? Sorry for all the questions just I dont fancy bricking my phone and just want to make sure i have all the bases covered! Found i lost signal yesterday for a bit when I was at the chippy but to be honest I was giving the phone a right hammering yesterday and the battery was pretty dead! Oops! So that could be a reason, so will keep an eye on it. -------------------- Tom
Please checkout these links: My brother is cycling 1017 miles for charity, please take a look and sponsor him. Thanks Click to view the Blazing Saddles 2008 Quality Webdesign with the personal touch visit mooedia Have a listen to my music and see what you think listen to mixed up Phone History: SPV Classic/E200/C500/Nokia 6250/Ngage + QD/XDA + II/SPV M2000/T610i, Razr V3/O2 XDA mini s/M5000/SPVM3100/C600/Ameo/Prada/Viewty/Touch+Dual+Diamond now iPhone 3G 16GB |
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Oct 21 2008, 15:51
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 406 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173 |
QUOTE(Tomchap @ Oct 21 2008, 09:48) If I jailbroke my phone and then a new firmware update came out how would you plan for this? Could i just install the firmware update then hope a jail break is available for the new firmware? Would all the apps stop working that were installed? Would I have to install all the apps again? There are two choices really, provided your phone is already activated 1. Wait for the jailbreak of that new firmware to become available, and follow the advice given by the Dev team 2. Upgrade/Restore to latest firmware. Depending on what that firmware does, it would likely close access to your 3rd party apps that are on there, and that space would not be accessible until you jailbreak again Jailbreaking these days involves a restore of the new firmware and it's advisable to remove existing unofficial 3rd party Apps to ensure a successful firmware upgrade. Then re-install them again after the jailbreak As a side note, there's a lot of widespread talk about "bricking" which is a term that's used far too widespread these days, even if someone has a failed install, or failed jailbreak and they say it's "bricked" when it's actually not. The iPhone definition of "bricked" appears to relate to "not booting" as opposed to "completely inoperable". The more people incorrectly use this term, the more fear it puts into people. The actual term means the phone is completely unusable and cannot be restored no matter what, leaving a useless device or a "brick". There's not many actual reports of those actual "bricked" iPhones. Many people can put the iphone into "Recovery mode" or "DFU mode" and do an iTunes restore/re-install of the firmware to get it working again. A failed jailbreak happened to me twice, and after my phone wouldn't boot at all. After an outburst of 4 letter words, I managed to do a restore using iTunes, and it worked again. On saying this, some unofficial programs/applications can modify the bootloader or baseband which can actually "brick" your phone if it goes wrong, and will leave your device completely usuable. These programs have been used previously to "software unlock" the 1st gen iphones. As Confucious says, there is no software unlock available for the iPhone 3G yet. I'm not saying hacking your phone is not without it's problems, it's the same as the Windows Mobile cooked ROMs etc, you jailbreak your phone at your own risk and you void your warranty if you do so . Personally, since AppStore, I've not jailbroken my 3G iPhone on the latest firmware, although I did on 2.0 and also my 1st gen one. I removed the unoffical Applications, did a restore to the latest firmware upgrade, and it's been working fine as an official Apps locked phone. I'm on an official iPhone tariff so cannot say for sure if this will work for those phone activated during the jailbreak process. The temptation for me to jailbreak again is there because of the MMS (Swirly MMS) and Video Recorder Apps (Cycorder) but so far I've resisted. I've survived this far without them. Firmware updates have been pretty frequent in the last few months, and their purpose was to fix serious performance issues and bugs. Those updates are something I'd personally want on my phone straightaway, not something I'd be prepared to rely on someone hacking before I apply them. Just my opinion though  I don't intend to send Modaco/Mobihlic users elsewhere but the Forum at http://www.modmyi.com is where the serious iphone developers and jailbreakers go, so you could get some re-assurance from those guys. This post has been edited by paholman: Oct 21 2008, 17:21 -------------------- |
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Oct 21 2008, 16:02
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
I was going to say something similar - but haven't had the time to type my reply! I have jailbroken my phone tho.
Thanks for the link paholman - hadn't found that one. -------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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Oct 21 2008, 16:59
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 406 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173 |
QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 21 2008, 17:02) I was going to say something similar - but haven't had the time to type my reply! I have jailbroken my phone tho. Thanks for the link paholman - hadn't found that one. My pleasure  Here's another useful one: http://www.iclarified.com Their Tutorials are very useful, especially the jailbreak ones: http://www.iclarified.com/tutorials/iphone/index.php Also added links to "Recovery Mode" and "DFU mode" in my previous post This post has been edited by paholman: Oct 21 2008, 17:22 -------------------- |
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Oct 24 2008, 13:54
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 47 Joined: 26th February 2003 From: UK Member No.: 3,107 Device(s): HTC Diamond |
Well havent jailbroken my phone, plan on waiting for the next update.
All im really missing is cut and paste (come on apple, soon I hope) and some kind of turn by turn sat nav program. (tom tom anyone? hehe, that would make the device spot on!) So far tho, the whole apple iPhone experience has been a good one. The web browser for me personally is excellent, sooo smooth and just works. Even tho i have a turbo sim in my phone my phone still works pretty well. Ive had it occasionally say No Network but this is in patch areas of signal and also one time i just put my phone off then on again and it way fine. Tried the apple iPlayer and it diverts to the iplayer beta site, which i can say works great on the iphone. Watching very good quality and smooth streaming media direct from the iplayer on my phone. Excellent stuff!  I dont fancy going with O2 as im pretty happy with tmobile so will see how that goes. Excellent phone tho, very happy. -------------------- Tom
Please checkout these links: My brother is cycling 1017 miles for charity, please take a look and sponsor him. Thanks Click to view the Blazing Saddles 2008 Quality Webdesign with the personal touch visit mooedia Have a listen to my music and see what you think listen to mixed up Phone History: SPV Classic/E200/C500/Nokia 6250/Ngage + QD/XDA + II/SPV M2000/T610i, Razr V3/O2 XDA mini s/M5000/SPVM3100/C600/Ameo/Prada/Viewty/Touch+Dual+Diamond now iPhone 3G 16GB |
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Oct 24 2008, 14:52
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
I can only echo what you said, I don't miss cut & paste that much but do miss satnav - it has the receiver, we just need the software!
There are loads of free apps for it and I've even paid for some, the iTunes store makes it really asy and they all just work. I haven't enjoyed a phone so much since I got my first WM device!
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Oct 24 2008, 15:01
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 47 Joined: 26th February 2003 From: UK Member No.: 3,107 Device(s): HTC Diamond |
QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 24 2008, 15:52) I can only echo what you said, I don't miss cut & paste that much but do miss satnav - it has the receiver, we just need the software! There are loads of free apps for it and I've even paid for some, the iTunes store makes it really asy and they all just work. I haven't enjoyed a phone so much since I got my first WM device! Precisely! The app store is great, i currently have installed alot of game demos to try them out, which are pretty good, and alot of the games and apps just do the job, passing a bit of time or things like the facebook app or shazam just help out when needed. and def agree with the last comment you made. I actually enjoy using my phone, using the browser, listening to music, texting and using the phone. No slowdown and when making and answering calls it all just works! Very happy chappy! I can see the App Store just going from strength to strength. I have to say tho there aren't many useful forums, apple sites that i can find for discussion about the best apps on the app store, altho there are alot of the jailbreak sites out there with info discussions on there about cracked apps or apps that only work when your phones jailbroken.
-------------------- Tom
Please checkout these links: My brother is cycling 1017 miles for charity, please take a look and sponsor him. Thanks Click to view the Blazing Saddles 2008 Quality Webdesign with the personal touch visit mooedia Have a listen to my music and see what you think listen to mixed up Phone History: SPV Classic/E200/C500/Nokia 6250/Ngage + QD/XDA + II/SPV M2000/T610i, Razr V3/O2 XDA mini s/M5000/SPVM3100/C600/Ameo/Prada/Viewty/Touch+Dual+Diamond now iPhone 3G 16GB |
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Oct 24 2008, 19:12
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 406 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173 |
Yes, I'm with you two. Definitely the best phone I've had so far, and there's been a few.
Very happy with the games, Asphalt 4, Virtual Pool Mobile, Super Monkey Ball to name but a few. Brilliant!! I definitely agree with the iPlayer (BBC) works brilliantly, as does playing of mp4 movies. I miss Sat Nav and Copy and Paste too, it'll come soon, they have to. I just hope Apple don't try ban other Sat Nav software and try and add something to Google Maps, which would be a real shame. Having to download all the maps as you go is a real pain. Firmware 2.2 is rumoured to include the ability for turn-by-turn navigation, so I really hope the likes of TomTom and Garmin release something soon after. It was supposed to be in 2.1, but bug fixes took priority. When it's due out is anyone's guess, anyone know? I do find myself checking Google News for any firmware update news or iPhone Sat Nav gossip Built-in GPS was what I wanted on the iPhone, and now I got it, I really want to make the most of it 
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Oct 24 2008, 22:18
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 Regular  Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 59 Joined: 9th March 2006 Member No.: 176,643 Device(s): HTC Diamond |
QUOTE(Confucious @ Oct 20 2008, 16:59) Thanks for the reply paholman. I don't have EDGE but my 3G and GPRS is working fine (on T-Mobile UK). When I am on WiFi it finds my location without a problem so I guess it is something to do with the A-GPS server being only accessible by O2, but still not sure why it won't find my location using the 'proper GPS'. I believe the A-GPS uses the mast triangulation to get the rough location before the proper GPS kicks in to give the actual location. There doesn't seem to be anywhere to set the A-GPS server though. Likewise. I went with the Rebel SIM (sold as SIMable) and it works well with my T-Mobile SIM in my 3G iPhone, apart from GPS. If I put my O2 SIM back in, GPS quickly aquires a signal (even indoors) and is accurate. With the Rebel SIM it just refuses to work. I also suspect that the battery drain is significantly higher with the Rebel SIM (although that could just be due to the T-Mobile signal). If O2 had better UK coverage - and not just 3G - the phone / network combo would take some beating. |
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Oct 27 2008, 11:13
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 47 Joined: 26th February 2003 From: UK Member No.: 3,107 Device(s): HTC Diamond |
I keep checking for news on the iPhone to. Tried using the Google Maps app when i was a few miles away from home and in the countryside the GPS tracking was very patchy and not at all on par with my Diamond with TomTom.
Roll on the next update then with (fingers crossed) turn by turn say nav. Everything else on the phone is great (apart from the pain in the arse iTunes sync. hehe, so used to just plugging it in, copying whatever i want across to my phone and then done) Overall pretty happy with the iPhone, everythings sooo smooth very enjoyable.
-------------------- Tom
Please checkout these links: My brother is cycling 1017 miles for charity, please take a look and sponsor him. Thanks Click to view the Blazing Saddles 2008 Quality Webdesign with the personal touch visit mooedia Have a listen to my music and see what you think listen to mixed up Phone History: SPV Classic/E200/C500/Nokia 6250/Ngage + QD/XDA + II/SPV M2000/T610i, Razr V3/O2 XDA mini s/M5000/SPVM3100/C600/Ameo/Prada/Viewty/Touch+Dual+Diamond now iPhone 3G 16GB |
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