Seven Reasons Why the New iPhone Sucks |
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 Jul 29 2008, 08:43
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Newbie  Group: Posters Posts: 41 Joined: 27th September 2007 Member No.: 304,498  |
Seven Reasons Why the New iPhone Sucks
Look before you leap before buying the new iPhone. This is the iPhone that all of us have been waiting for. It promised to address the deficiencies of the first generation iPhone, but does it really? |
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Jul 29 2008, 09:05
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Jul 29 2008, 09:11
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Diehard  Group: Posters Posts: 406 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173 |
QUOTE(alvin002 @ Jul 29 2008, 09:43)  Seven Reasons Why the New iPhone Sucks Look before you leap before buying the new iPhone. This is the iPhone that all of us have been waiting for. It promised to address the deficiencies of the first generation iPhone, but does it really? FFS: The same complaints as the original iphone, please, someone change the record: No Cut and Paste 2MP Camera No Flash support ... The new iphone 3G specifications and version 2.0 of the software were announced at Apple's World Wide Developers Conference on June 9th, way before it's actual release and none of the above were listed as new or improved features of the new device nor for 2.0 of the software, so why are people surprised that it doesn't include or improve them? Apple never said it would. Ok, the GPS is not fully functional yet, the "copy and paste" and flash would be a nice feature, but this is all likely to come with software updates or 3rd party software. See rumours about version 2.1. The SDK is already out and said to included improvements to GPS functionality and the possibility of "copy and paste". Flash, no doubt will come from Adobe or other 3rd party. The new device is nowhere near perfect, but the only major difference between the iphone 3G and the original is "built-in GPS capability" and "3G/HSPDA". Nothing else has improved, and was never advertised as such. I upgraded to the iPhone 3G from the original, and all I expected was faster download/internet speeds and GPS. GPS is currently crappy with google maps and lacks turn-by-turn navigation, which I miss dearly, and the battery life is worse than the original, but with 3G this is expected. Battery is no worse than other 3G devices I've owned. Personalll I'm happy with it. This post has been edited by paholman: Jul 29 2008, 09:12 -------------------- |
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Jul 30 2008, 23:39
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 422 Joined: 18th August 2004 Member No.: 53,335 |
QUOTE(paholman @ Jul 29 2008, 10:11) The new device is nowhere near perfect, but the only major difference between the iphone 3G and the original is "built-in GPS capability" and "3G/HSPDA". Nothing else has improved, and was never advertised as such. You forget the whole section of Steve Job's keynote and the iPhone website devoted to how the full Exchange support in v2.0 meant it was "Enterprise Ready". Except that turned out to be half-assed too. E.g.:- No Tasks or Notes sync with Exchange or PC Outlook. No way to add people to a meeting or give a reason for declining a meeting. No way to add people from a Global Address List to local contacts. No way for 3rd party apps (e.g. Pocket Informant) to access the built in Calendar (or ToDo list, cos there isn't one). No way to sync 3rd party app data to a PC except via 3rd party servers (PI) or open WiFi (SplashID) etc..etc.. This post has been edited by Metoo: Jul 30 2008, 23:41 |
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Jul 31 2008, 06:34
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 Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
I think the style of the web page linked to says it all.
Looks like it was created by a 6 year old. !) Pricing is different in the UK and actually not too expensive. 2) Early days yet but TT are working on it, not sure about the licence but I'm sure they will work something out. 3) How many people actually tether? $60/month for 3G? I've just got a 3G USB stick for £7.50/month - not coz I need it, just for fun. 4) Cut & paste, nice to have, pity they missed it out but a reason not to buy? I think not. 5) 2Mb camera? It's actually not bad, there are better but there are a lot worse. Plenty good enough for most people who only want to view pics on the computer. 6) No Stereo BT? That's a shame. I have a BT stereo headset so am disappointed. 7) A host of other minor imperfections. And as the author says QUOTE so it’s not perfect but it’s still the coolest smartphone out there For the vast majority of users I have a feeling he might be right...... -------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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Jul 31 2008, 07:54
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 406 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173 |
QUOTE(Metoo @ Jul 31 2008, 00:39) You forget the whole section of Steve Job's keynote and the iPhone website devoted to how the full Exchange support in v2.0 meant it was "Enterprise Ready". Except that turned out to be half-assed too. E.g.:- No Tasks or Notes sync with Exchange or PC Outlook. No way to add people to a meeting or give a reason for declining a meeting. No way to add people from a Global Address List to local contacts. No way for 3rd party apps (e.g. Pocket Informant) to access the built in Calendar (or ToDo list, cos there isn't one). No way to sync 3rd party app data to a PC except via 3rd party servers (PI) or open WiFi (SplashID) etc..etc.. Yes, although that is more like a list of why the new iphone 2.0 software sucks, not the "new iphone 3G", it is another thing, besides GPS that was promised by Apple and turned out to be only half true. The only thing I'm really disappointed with so far with the actual 3G iphone is the GPS. Currently it can't be used for turn-by-turn navigation which is what everyone expects from a GPS enabled device. I feel a little cheated by this as currently it's next to useless apart from some "locate shops/bars/etc near my current location" software. I just hope navigation software is allowed/released soon. I thought the topic is about "the new iphone" i.e the actual device. The majority of the list in the original post were not promised to be in the new released firmware. The disappointment is caused by the all the rumours spread around the web of what people "expect to see", or "hoped to be" in the next release, but they're only rumours, and are never true, unless Apple officially announce it. This raises people's expectations and causes disappointment. If it's not announced by Apple, it's not official, and "copy & paste", "a better camera" etc was not announced by Apple to be in the new device or new firmware. There are bugs in the new firmware 2.0, and MobileMe is a joke. It's early days, and firmware updates are released by Apple when they fix these issues. Firmware updates such as these very rarely seen on Windows Mobile devices, unless you've got the right device. The lock down on 3rd Party Apps at the moment sucks. Applications can't interact with each other because you can't have more than one Application running, nor have any background processes. This is bound to change in the future. The title of this topic is misleading, and as Confusions says, it looks like it was written by a 6 year old. It should be "seven reasons why I'm disappointed" As I said above, the only major differences in hardware between the original iphone and iphone 3G is built-in GPS and 3g/HSPDA, and they were the only things announced by Apple as improvements. The rest of the changes come with the v2.0 of the firmware, Exchange Support, AppStore etc So out of the 7 things listed in the original post for reasons why the "new iphone" sucks, only one of them actually relate to the 3G iphone itself:- - Can't use the GPS like a GPS (no, not yet because no turn-by-turn navigation software is currently available) Others relate to the software only, are no different from the old phone or were not announced by Apple to come with the new 3G iphone or 2.0 firmware:- - no copy and paste - no flash support - can't use 3G iphone to laptop as modem - stereo bluetooth - Wimpy camera I'm guessing the majority would be address by software updates when and where possible, it is still early days. The final one, is mainly aimed at the U.S:- - too expensive to own This may differ per country, but O2's tariff in the UK has not changed, and the 3G iphone handset is £169 cheaper on the £35 per month tariff than the original one was. AT&T are cheeky and greedy to add an additional 3G charge to their iphone tariffs, but I guess this is only because 3G is relatively new over the pond at the moment. Countries that have had the 3G service for a while, will not expect a higher tariff. Although you can't officially get one SIM free, you can be lucky to get one from eBay and use WinPwn software to activate it and jailbreak it. Then you can avoid a long term contract, and use a PAYG sim or other SIM from an official iphone carrier, such as O2. A software SIM unlock is still not yet available for the 3G iPhone, only a YESSIM adaptor can unlock it : http://www.unlock-iphone3g.com/ As for the other stuff - Exchange support etc will be fixed with firmware updates - Video recording will come with 3rd party software - Copy and Paste will come soon - Video streaming works great at the moment in the UK with BBC iPlayer - Flash support with come - MMS, ok, works with jailbroken phones only via SwirlyMMS and as it uses background processes will not be allowed on the AppStore. But MMS can be expensive depending on the network. You can send pictures via email. It's early days, but as with the 1st iphone, firmware updates will iron out those little glitches, and software available via AppStore will improve it dramatically. This post has been edited by paholman: Jul 31 2008, 08:41 -------------------- |
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Jul 31 2008, 08:55
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
QUOTE and as Confusions says, hehe - I've been called many things.... Has anyone tried one of these in an iPhone yet? It's worked in every phone I've tried and the Three data stick so I would be suprised if it doesn't work in an iPhone. -------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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Jul 31 2008, 12:41
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Diehard Group: Posters Posts: 406 Joined: 25th August 2004 Member No.: 54,173 |
QUOTE(Confucious @ Jul 31 2008, 09:55) hehe - I've been called many things.... Has anyone tried one of these in an iPhone yet? It's worked in every phone I've tried and the Three data stick so I would be suprised if it doesn't work in an iPhone. Apologies about the spelling of your name Confucious  I think the iPhone needs to be jailbroken to use these, and so far the only one confirmed to have worked is this one: http://www.unlock-iphone3g.com/ The one confirmed to work with the 1st gen iPhone was TurboSIM: http://www.bladox.com/shop.php?lang=en -------------------- |
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Aug 2 2008, 09:53
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
http://rebelsimcard.com/virtu/ looks just like the one I've bought and they say it works with the iPhone - just costs 4X the price.
We might be getting some iPhones to test at work - if we do I'll try and see if it works.... -------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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Aug 2 2008, 22:52
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 The artist formerly known as Peekie Group: Posters Posts: 1,861 Joined: 26th October 2003 Member No.: 19,316 Device(s): HTC Diamond / Iphone 3g |
Well i have one of these iphones and so far i do like it , the battery life seems good , but on such an expensive phone the missing mms and the video recorder is a big pain , along with no windows live applications to download the hotmail emails , the one think if i do hate anything is when the phone restores the phone software it wipes the iphone clean so you have to wait ages to put it all back in , something win mo does well is the sync, i dont think at present the iphone is a threat to the ppc phone as it has too many bugs with the missing software , now where did i put the faithfull htc diamond
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Aug 3 2008, 09:55
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
Hi Peekie,
QUOTE when the phone restores the phone software it wipes the iphone clean so you have to wait ages to put it all back in When do you need to restore the phone software? Isn't that like a hard reset (which also wipes your phone) or am I missing something? QUOTE something win mo does well is the sync This suggests that the iPhone doesn't - in what way is it inferior? Sorry for the questions but I am tempted by an iPhone but haven't yet had a chance to try one in anger and if there are major problems I'd like to know. On the other hand, if you don't want yours anymore.... -------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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Aug 6 2008, 04:39
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 I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left!  Group: Posters Posts: 801 Joined: 16th December 2003 From: Oxford, UK Member No.: 24,871 Device(s): Iphone (1st Gen) |
I have an Iphone (1st Gen) which I have had for about seven months or so. Bought it off Ebay unlocked through the use of a Turbosim with software version 1.1.4 and loved it.
Since then I unlocked it myself with Ziphone and got rid of the Turbosim, and recently I used Pwnage to update the firmware to 2.0 and keep the thing unlocked so I can use it with my Orange contract. Coming from a long standing windows mobile background I have to say.... I really love my Iphone. I'm sorry guys, but I dont think I could be without it now. Everything it does it does first time, when I ask it to; no fuss, no glitches and no crashes. The interface is a dream to use, and the typing on the keyboard is much easier than typing was on my last few HTC devices. The new 2.0 software really improves on the functionality of the device by allowing you to add slick Apple approved third party apps, and because I Pwned my iphone, I can still use a lot of the third party apps through Cydia as well, so I get the best of both worlds! Seeing Crash Bandicoot Nitro Cart running on it blows people away; you are talking about graphics that rival a PSPs and you control it by "steering" the Iphone like you were holding a wheel! I'm never going to convince a lot of the Iphone haters/WinMo lovers who lurk here, nor would I try if I'm honest, and I am not trying to start a flame war, but after a while you do get bored by seeing these "101 reasons why the Iphone sucks" threads pop up again and again. Its obviously not for everyone, and it doesnt do the business side of things as well as a WinMo device, but for little old me, who isnt in business, and just wants his music, video, text, email and web, and wants it all to work without any fuss, its perfect. Alright, maybe not perfect - the only thing I wish my Iphone had was 3G - but hey, theres a 3G Iphone out now, so as soon as my Orange contract finishes, I will get one of those. All the above is just my two pence worth as a satisfied Iphone owner, for the benefit of anyone who wants to hear the plus sides as opposed to all the trolling and hate. P.S. the "it hasnt got cut and paste" argument is no longer valid as well - there is an Iphone App available through the App Store which adds this feature. Perhaps should have been on there from the start, but speaking for myself, it isnt a feature i used to use a lot and I cant say I have missed it since having my Iphone! -------------------- Phone-ography:
Current: Apple Iphone (1st Gen) Pwned & on Orange! Past: HTC TyTn II, HTC Touch, Nokia N95, Motorola Z8, Qtek 8500, T-Mobile MDA Vario, SonyEricsson W900i, SPV C550, SonyEricsson K750i, Nokia 9300, I-Mate Jam, C500, Moto V600, SonyEricsson P900, P800, Treo 600, SPV e200, Nokia 1100, Nokia 6230, SonyEricsson K700i, T610, Nokia 7650, SonyEricsson T68, T29, Moto T250, Nokia 8310, Samsung A100, SPV Classic, Moto V50, Nokia 7110, Vodafone EuroTel Stress is when you wake up screaming and then realise you havent fallen asleep yet! |
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Aug 6 2008, 06:44
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 6,343 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): iPhone 8Gb. Athena, C600 |
I'd never heard of Crash Bandicoot Nitro Cart so looked it up and wondered why it wasn't available for the Wii - then I saw the trailer, isn't it rather similar to super Mario kart?
Please stop tempting me, I'm not sure how much longer I can resist the evil pull of Apple....
-------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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