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 Mar 18 2003, 11:07
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I thought I'd put a political issue up for discussion. I personally am AGAINST war in Iraq and think it is all 100% fueled by money and oil. And have many *real* arguements supporting this, but will not go into that.
Just thought I'd ask your opinion.. 
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Mar 18 2003, 13:34
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 Pyromaniac Group: Moderator Team Posts: 1,834 Joined: 7th January 2003 From: Manchester Member No.: 1,683 Device(s): Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 |
I am also against the war, I think lots of innocent people will be injured or killed, and the net result will be saddam being replaced by someone not much better.
We still have no evidence of weapons of mass destrucion or links to terrorists. This war is Mr Bush's personal crusade (after the failure of his daddy to get any results in this region of the world) The support he has drummed up in his own country is only a result of the fact that he made the right noises after sep-11, and some sort of phantom feeling that America should be doing some killing of someone nasty as a result of this tradgedy. As they are unable to catch the real terrorists then why not go after Mr Bush's pet hate Iraq. After all he's mean and nasty so he probably deserves it anyway, or at lesat thats how America is thinking I'd imagine. |
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Mar 18 2003, 14:19
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 Diehard  Group: Posters Posts: 360 Joined: 14th January 2003 Member No.: 1,885 |
Personally I am for the war, but against the reasons why we are doing it. As already stated, the reasons why we are going are war are less than honerable in that there is no proof of weapons of mass destruction and no proof of links to terrorists. However, I do believe that Saddam is bad and has done some terrible things to the people of Iraq. He does need to be removed to bring better human rights to Iraq.
I don't believe in the theory about it being over oil or money. The last time we went to war it was due to Iraq invading Kuiwait and that threatened the world's oil supply, but Iraq has not done anying obvious this time. Like I said at the start though, he does need to be removed, I do personally belive that there have been weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, not sure whether there still are some though. I just wish that America (and Britain) were honest about their actions and stated the real reasons for invasion. Will they apologise if after the war they find no evidence of the weapon? I suspect not. And if we are going to war, why not publish all the "proof" that they were going on about a couple of months ago. After all it isn't going to change anything now is it. |
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Mar 18 2003, 15:47
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 News Team  Group: Members Posts: 629 Joined: 12th March 2003 From: Swansea, Wales Member No.: 3,431 Device(s): SPV c600 |
I am against the war because i dont think its fair innosent people dying and also i am going to america next month and if the war is on our flight will probably be cancelled. :cry:
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Mar 18 2003, 15:58
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 Hardcore Group: Posters Posts: 1,448 Joined: 26th November 2002 From: Nottingham Member No.: 137 Device(s): MDA Vario 3 |
Nah, flights wont be cancelled, just cheaper
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Mar 18 2003, 16:09
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Personally I think it is Dubya's personal crusade (and maybe oil), and not for the right reasons. Yes Saddam has done some terrible things, but so have quite a few other world leaders; they just don't happen to be in the spotlight. "Weapons of mass destruction" is a convenient excuse to attack Iraq, becuase after 9/11 a lot of Americans will already be paranoid about further attacks; if Saddam can be made out to be "a threat" then there will be no shortage of support for a war. It's a pity that Blair has to be so far up Bush's a**e, but we're stuck with I spose - I think it's a complete waste of money and resources for the UK to join the war on Iraq. Why should I have to pay more for my fuel just becuase Dubya's dad couldn't finish Saddam 10 years ago? :evil:
Just my $0.02... 
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Mar 18 2003, 19:10
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Hardcore Group: Posters Posts: 2,098 Joined: 4th December 2002 From: Kiev UA Member No.: 702 Device(s): E100 |
QUOTE I personally am for a war with Iraq.
Anyone who abuses there power such as dictators and moderators should be strung up by the bollocks and left to rot. So in your opinion MrBush does NOT abuse his power?? PS: The oil is a fair point since Saddam when toppled will be replaced by someone 'in control' - no doubt! (we'll let you be the president if you listen to us...) Thus providing themselves with 'controllable' energy(oil) resource - supporting US policy on importing natural resources rather than using their own. And this is just a quick introduction.... -------------------- .:: PocketMVP Skins :: Marcelo :: WinMedia :: Marcelo2 :: DeepcleanSP ::.
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Mar 18 2003, 19:14
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 Regular  Group: Posters Posts: 135 Joined: 10th January 2003 From: swansea Member No.: 1,769 |
if or when Bush puts a carrier of plymouth and says "give up your nuclear weapons or else" who the f**K MADE THEM THE WORLD POLICE
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Mar 18 2003, 19:16
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 135 Joined: 10th January 2003 From: swansea Member No.: 1,769 |
is that pteal????
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Mar 18 2003, 19:19
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Yep, you can tell by the way he says "Anyone who abuses their power such as dictators and moderators should be strung up by the bollocks and left to rot. " :wink:
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Mar 18 2003, 19:19
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Hardcore Group: Posters Posts: 1,810 Joined: 17th February 2003 From: Scotland Member No.: 2,867 Device(s): M2000 |
I'm sorry, but anyone who is for this war simply doesn't know enough about it. Bush and pals have been consistenly lying and misleading everyone about this, inciting post 9-11 emotions against a nation that has absolutely nothing to do with Islamic terrorism. This is despite large operations by the FBI and CIA to prove otherwise, which haven't even picked up the slighest trace of a connection. Iraq is a secular country that is an enemy of all Islamic states, they fought an 11-year war with Iran and they have no friends in the region at all. Meanwhile countries in the middle east who had everything to do with the terrorist attacks are treated as allies because we have business dealings with them, where we support regimes that give their own people less civil and human rights than the people in Iraq have.
We don't have business dealings with Iraq. Overthrowing the present leadership will give the US and the UK access to the Iraqs oil, which are the second largest known oil reserves in the world. Not only does Iraq contain lots of oil, the oil itself is very easy (cheap) to extract, refine and export. It is a goldmine for the oil companies, who have already started to carve up the spoils of war, with some of the most lucrative contracts going to companies that key players in the current administration have a long personal history with. Bush's cabinet said in April, 2001 (6 months prior to 9-11): 'Iraq remains a destabilising influence to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East' and because this is an unacceptable risk to the US 'military intervention' is necessary." Always remember; everyone in the Bush administration has very close ties to the oil industry. The National Security Adviser has an oil tanker named after her. Each of these people were given huge "parting gifts" by the oil industry when they moved into politics. What is ironic is that the US helped Saddam rise to power, then later supplied him with the weapons that were used to commit his crimes against humanity. The US congress blocked investigations during Regan's presedency into the attrocities. Not only do they turn a blind eye, they actively tried to cover it up. Now all of a sudden "it's important". In addition to this, most anti-western feeling is due to one nation in particular, Israel. This nation is in violation of so many UN resolutions it is unbelievable, yet we are treating a second resolution against Iraq as a ticket to war. Israel is commiting a holocaust against the Palestinion people in their own homeland, worse than anything Saddam has done, yet the US regularly uses UN vetos against any resolutions that attempt to tackle the problem, the US has the most vetos by far in the UN, most relating to this problem. Israel's current occupation of Palestine is illegal, brutal, racist and funded by the USA. By the way, the vast majority of US media is controlled by Israeli-friendly companies. My sig relates to this. The US media is engaging in a campaign that is very similar to the Nazi's rise to power. They are demonising a people that are of no real threat to them, stating that we must attack first "to preserve our way of life". They suggest that all arab states want to destroy us and that we must defend ourselves by attacking them. Fear is used to bring the people in to touch. Shops have sold out on things like duct tape, after "advice" to people to build a chemical warfare shelter in their own homes. They have got an entire nation running scared, and this is being used to fund the governments conquests for power. The US people are being presented with a very racist treatment of all Arabs, with everyone being guilty until proven innocent, that's if you are actually able to get legal representation. Arabs are treated with fear and suspicion, especially in places such as airports. An imigrant computer programmer was recently moved across the US in police custody, held in appauling conditions for over three weeks, all because he noticed that his visa had expired earlier that it was supposed to. Many Arabs have started to leave the US, akin to some of the Jewish population leaving Germany during the 30's. This sort of behaviour, and the continual errosion of civil liberties, has destroyed the fabric of the US, undermining everything that the nation is supposed to stand for. I have more fear of people like Bush, Cheney and Rice than I do of Saddam. Meanwhile at home (in the UK), we have "scandals" when members of the government indicate that they disagree with the current policies. Excuse me, but I thought we were supposed to be living in a democracy? How is that possible when all politions are made to promote the same plans? Our governments are making a mockery of democracy. They aren't listening to the publics desires one bit, and are intentionally misleading us on the issues. Voting once every five years between a choice of two viable parties is a farce. Anyone who thinks we live in a fair and democratic society should get their head out of their arse before they suffocate. |
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Mar 18 2003, 19:25
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Regular Group: Posters Posts: 135 Joined: 10th January 2003 From: swansea Member No.: 1,769 |
thought i remember that style from somewhere
seriously what has changed in the last 12 years to bring down the wrath of god(states)on iraq -------------------- when all else fails read the instructions,then read them again and again and again then go to MODACO
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Mar 18 2003, 19:28
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Hardcore Group: Posters Posts: 2,098 Joined: 4th December 2002 From: Kiev UA Member No.: 702 Device(s): E100 |
Fraser, respect for the article! I could not agree more. And am pretty sure if you could be bothered to type (after all that) this could go on and on and ooon.
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Mar 18 2003, 19:33
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Addict Group: Posters Posts: 752 Joined: 5th December 2002 From: Bournemouth, UK Member No.: 738 |
I heard a great news report on the radio this afternoon...
QUOTE Initially Iraq will be rained on by missiles, and 9/10 of them will be "smart bombs", so they should hit the right thing. Don't ya just love quality journalism
-------------------- Andy
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